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The issue of removing individuals “for cause” from the GC Executive Committee is being discussed . . .
This motion was motioned to split into two parts and it passed
935 yes
699 no
Discussion on the first part ensues….
Delegate from Bavaria concerned that this will exclude people in rebellion over Women’s ordination. Says it is dangerous. Against the motion…
Reinhard Gallos - against the motion. Concerned that people might be removed from the GCExcomm…. That is the whole idea, if they are in rebellion or out of compliance with the church…
Janus Kogerman….wishes to add incompetence to the list of reasons to remove for cause..
Martin Altink.. can unions and conferences who are out of compliance on WO be removed?
Lady from Norway - scared that people might be removed…
Hensley and Doukhmetzian answering questions..
Paul Baggien - against the motion… non compliance for conscience reason. so much fear… against the motion
Gisselle Cabahug. afraid that this could be contentious.
Mario Veloso . .this body is the bottom (grassroots) of the church…
Mandla Lipondwana - in favor of the motion….
Stepan Giulianni calls for the question, stop debate and vote on item…many people left stranded at the microphone… This person has been calling question numerous times this week (twice already)
voting….. motion carries 1531 to 143 that means this part 1 will be voted on.
voting . . .motion to amend GC Conference Bylaws to remove people for cause from Excomm committee 1319 yes, 289 no. This is part 1. part 2 is coming up….
is the tide turning ?
Part 2 coming up . . .
Paul Ananaba . . .the word conviction for theft or embezzlement should be added
Tim Standish . . . against the 2nd part. Places church under civil authority…
Johnathan Burnett ..
Catherine Verrecchia . . . in France. Abuse of women is a crime, even non physical kind….
Daniel Matte . . .
Karl Archer Jamaica .. in support of the motion.
Doukhmetzian…if this is approved, it still has to be approved by 2/3 vote on executive committee.
Stephan Giulianni moves the question a fourth time… voting… yes: 1539 / no= 78. This calls the question.
Voting to add part 2 to the GC C&B (constitution & bylaws)…. Results are:
Yes: 1436. Motion passes. Ability to remove for cause from GC Executive Committee passes
Next item….
Afternoon Items
Nominating Committee recommends Division presidents. Will be a rubber stamp….
Most of the Division presidents are incumbents. Voting . . . 1489 in favor / 45 nay Rubber stamp.
Ted Wilson prays for the Division leaders and their wives.
Constitution & Bylaws changes . . .
210 and 211 Office of Archives . . . perfunctory changes. deleting word research and adding office..
passed . . .
Item 436-22sb brought up again from last night…
Member from Europe wants deacons and deaconesses combined. Says having two groups is discriminatory… He was told that this is not the item currently under discussion.
Debating adding a new Church Manual section on Spirit of Prophecy … some say we make an idol out of the SOP, others say we need this because some people are hostile or indifferent to SOP.
Anthony Bosman - personally benefited from EGW… says some have used it as a weapon…calls for balance…
Clinton Wahlen .. personally benefited from the SOP. Helped turn him from an atheist to a believer.. calls for right use us her writings. Well received.
Randy Roberts … says he appreciates EGW. Says stop reading about the Bible, but read the Bible…
David Trimm, calls the question. Voting…. 1427 votes… 1233 votes to stop the debate…
Voting the motion to add a new Spirit of Prophecy section to Church Manual…. 943 yes / 480 no. The motion passes.
8:10 pm….. yet another woman goes to the microphone and complains that there aren’t enough women in leadership positions in the church. This seems to be part of a concerted activist effort to continually grumble about diversity. Listen, friend. A church that worships diversity is a church that is obligated to ordain practicing homosexuals or anyone else who claims marginalization status. Making an idol out of diversity requires moving away from the plain authority of Scripture.
Lots of perfunctory elections on GC departments tonight…